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Re: [idn] Chinese Domain Name Consortium (CDNC) Declaration



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Subject:  Re: [idn] Chinese Domain Name Consortium (CDNC) Declaration

MONIC, Macao Network Information Center, as a member of the Chinese
Domain
      Name Consortium, takes great exception to the following
denigration
      of its role as information technology facilitator in Macao:
Of course, CDNC members would like to maximize their
financial gain in registration

MONIC operates out of shoe-string budget allocation of the University of
Macau, and particpates in CDNC because we share the same heritage in
culture and language.  We are saddened to see the politicisation and
side-tracking of the process of empowering ethnic-Chinese to use the
Chinese language for Internet communication.

Tham, Yiu Kwok
MONIC/Computer Service Bureau, University of Macau

The message from CDNC says that the Traditional-Simplified problem
for Chinese users cannot be solved by registration policy. This is
not true, and many of the CDNC members who have come to IETF meetings
know that. Of course, CDNC members would like to maximize their
financial gain in registration, but the concern of the IETF is always
towards helping users. There is a huge different between "cannot be
solved" and "it will cost a small number of organizations a lot of
money".

Solving the Traditional-Simplified problem in the IDN protocol would
have given more uniform results for users. The intense discussions
over the past 18 months have shown that not only is it unlikely that
there will ever be an IETF-based solution, and it has also become
clear that a registration-based solution will likely give Chinese
users more sensible naming that anything than the IETF could
standardize. For example, in the IDN WG, the proposals from CDNC
members only addressed part of the Traditional-Simplified problem
(the 1:1 mapping), while the registration solution can address all of
the problem in a manner that will help Chinese users.

Due to the efforts of some CDNC members, the IETF is now well aware
of the "2^n" variant problem that is unique to the use of Han
characters in the Chinese language. Fortunately, using registration
guidelines will solve the problem. The only people seriously affected
by the size of DNS zones created by the "2^n" problem will be very
large, flat zones such as those managed by CDNC members, but they are
able to compensate for the size of zones with no changes to the DNS
protocols.

Of course, the character variant problem exists in many different
languages, not just in Chinese. Because of this, each registry or
zone that includes IDN names needs to make decisions about name
equivalence (and therefore multiple registrations) before they enter
any IDN names into their zone. Based on this input during Working
Group last call from the CDNC, it seems clear that we need to explain
these points more in the IDNA document.

--Paul Hoffman, Director
--Internet Mail Consortium



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