RE: Future of the GELS mailing list

[Dimitri.Papadimitriou@alcatel.be]

don - 

indeed liaison toward IEEE needs to be committed by IETF so there is a 
need to maintain this discussion within IETF (open) mailing list 
discussion and consensus

otherwise situation will be identical to the one we faced in GELS (no WG, 
no WG document hence difficulty to communicate with IEEE beside private 
discussions, hence no backup of potential solutions and so finally no 
possibility to start the intended control plane work) 

thanks,
- dimitri.





"Don Fedyk" <dwfedyk@nortel.com>
11/07/2006 16:06
 
        To:     "Andrew G. Malis" <agmalis@gmail.com>, Dimitri 
PAPADIMITRIOU/BE/ALCATEL@ALCATEL
        cc:     "Adrian Farrel" <adrian@olddog.co.uk>, 
<ccamp@ops.ietf.org>, <gels@rtg.ietf.org>, <owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org>
        Subject:        RE: Future of the GELS mailing list


Andy
 
The goal is not to have discussion that are out of scope but the messages 
will constantly be attempting to get the content into scope.  I don't 
think this is the private discussions of the data plane but it is the 
messages that are trying to define the profile we can talk about and 
liaise to the IEEE.  The outcome of this will be shared with CCAMP. 
 
Don 

From: Andrew G. Malis [mailto:agmalis@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 10:01 AM
To: Dimitri.Papadimitriou@alcatel.be
Cc: Adrian Farrel; ccamp@ops.ietf.org; gels@rtg.ietf.org; 
owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org; Fedyk, Don (BL60:1A00)
Subject: Re: Future of the GELS mailing list

Dimitri,
 
Since we've agreed that the data plane elements are out of the IETF's 
charter, this discussion shouldn't occur on an IETF-sponsored list (such 
as gels@rtg.ietf.org).  This should happen either on an IEEE-associated 
list, or a private list not associated with the IETF. 
 
Thanks,
Andy

 
On 7/11/06, Dimitri.Papadimitriou@alcatel.be <
Dimitri.Papadimitriou@alcatel.be > wrote: 
adrian & don

> We have agreed we don't define the IEEE data planes in the IETF.

this is agreed before starting GELS (from last year) 

the point is that we need a place to discuss data plane elements that are
in scope of the control plane

thanks,
- dimitri.





"Adrian Farrel" < adrian@olddog.co.uk>
Sent by: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org
11/07/2006 15:35
Please respond to "Adrian Farrel"

       To:     "Don Fedyk" < dwfedyk@nortel.com>, Dimitri
PAPADIMITRIOU/BE/ALCATEL@ALCATEL
       cc:     <ccamp@ops.ietf.org>, < gels@rtg.ietf.org>
       Subject:        Re: Future of the GELS mailing list


> We have agreed we don't define the IEEE data planes in
> the IETF.  But we will need a venue to discuss the profile 
> of the data plane(s).  A separate list may be useful.

That was also my thinking, and I would prefer *that* discussion to not
happen on the CCAMP list.

Adrian





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