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Re: Request for charter change



I agree with all changes, they are good.
However I think the charter is too long. I don't know if some of the introductory staff is still needed? I would try to shorten the charter in a second go.

IMHO sooner or later updates to the base Netconf draft will also be needed.

Balazs

Mehmet Ersue wrote:

Dear ADs (and WG),

As new WG chairs, we have carefully studied the current WG charter
   http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/netconf-charter.html

Although the date on the charter page states that it was last updated
on 2008-01-09, that update was only to list us as new WG chairs and
our new Security Advisor. The base text is from a while ago, and
in the meanwhile, some documents have completed, and some of the
text that has past tense or (future tense) is now better read as
being the present. We also adopted a set of WG documents which
were based on earlier individual I-Ds, and so we have completed
posting of revision 00 documents for our chartered WG work items.

We have clarified the text, cleaned it up a bit and we have marked
a few items as DONE. We made no substantial change (of course,
because that would require WG consensus forming first).

ADs, can you please approve that this cleanup charter text be posted
as our current WG charter page. Will you forward it to iesg-secretary,
or do we need to do so seperately (assuming you will approve)?

Bert and Mehmet


Attached is the new charter and a rfcdiff of old and new charter.
And here is the main body of the cleaned-up charter text:

Configuration of networks of devices has become a critical requirement
for operators in today's highly interoperable networks. Operators from
large to small have developed their own mechanisms or used vendor
specific mechanisms to transfer configuration data to and from a
device, and for examining device state information which may impact
the configuration. Each of these mechanisms may be different in
various aspects, such as session establishment, user authentication,
configuration data exchange, and error responses.

The NETCONF Working Group is chartered to produce a protocol suitable
for network configuration, with the following characteristics:

- Provides retrieval mechanisms which can differentiate between
  configuration data and non-configuration data
- Is extensible enough so that vendors will provide access to all
  configuration data on the device using a single protocol
- Has a programmatic interface (avoids screen scraping and
  formatting-related changes between releases)
- Uses a textual data representation, that can be easily manipulated
  using non-specialized text manipulation tools.
- Supports integration with existing user authentication methods
- Supports integration with existing configuration database systems
- Supports network wide configuration transactions (with features such
  as locking and rollback capability)
- Is as transport-independent as possible
- Provides support for asynchronous notifications.

The NETCONF protocol is using XML for data encoding purposes, because
XML is a widely deployed standard which is supported by a large number
of applications.

The NETCONF protocol should be independent of the data definition
language and data models used to describe configuration and state
data.

However, the authorization model used in the protocol is dependent on
the data model. Although these issues must be fully addressed to
develop standard data models, only a small part of this work will be
initially addressed. This group will specify requirements for standard
data models in order to fully support the NETCONF protocol, such as:

- identification of principals, such as user names or distinguished names
- mechanism to distinguish configuration from non-configuration data
- XML namespace conventions
- XML usage guidelines

The initial work started in 2003 and has already been completed and was
restricted to following items:

  a) NETCONF Protocol Specification, which defines the operational model,
     protocol operations, transaction model, data model requirements,
     security requirements, and transport layer requirements.
  b) NETCONF over SSH Specification: Implementation Mandatory,
  c) NETCONF over BEEP Specification: Implementation Optional,
  d) NETCONF over SOAP Specification: Implementation Optional.

  These documents define how the NETCONF protocol is used with each
  transport protocol selected by the working group, and how it meets
  the security and transport layer requirements of the NETCONF Protocol
  Specification.

  e) NETCONF Notification Specification, which defines mechanisms that
     provide an asynchronous message notification delivery service for
     the NETCONF protocol.  NETCONF Notification is an optional
     capability built on top of the base NETCONF definition and
     provides the capabilities and operations necessary to support
     this service.

In the current phase of the incremental development of NETCONF the
workgroup will focus on following items:

1. Fine-grain locking: The base NETCONF protocol only provides a lock
   for the entire configuration datastore, which is not deemed to meet
   important operational and security requirements. The NETCONF working
   group will produce a standards-track RFC specifying a mechanism for
   fine-grain locking of the NETCONF configuration datastore.

2. NETCONF monitoring: It is considered best practice for IETF working
   groups to include management of their protocols within the scope of
   the solution they are providing. The NETCONF working group will
   produce a standards-track RFC with mechanisms allowing NETCONF
   itself to be used to monitor some aspects of NETCONF operation.

3. Schema advertisement: Currently the NETCONF protocol is able to
   advertise which protocol features are supported on a particular
   netconf-capable device. However, there is currently no way to discover
   which XML Schema are supported on the device. The NETCONF working
   group will produce a standards-track RFC with mechanisms making this
   discovery possible (this item may be merged with "NETCONF monitoring"
   into a single document).

4. NETCONF over TLS: Based on implementation experience there is a
   need for a standards track document to define NETCONF over TLS as an
   optional transport for the NETCONF protocol.

The following items have been identified as important but are currently
not considered in scope for re-chartering and may be candidates for work
when there is community consensus to take them on:

- General improvements to the base protocol
- Access Control requirements
- NETCONF access to SMI-based MIB data


Goals and Milestones:
Done      Working Group formed
Done      Submit initial Netconf Protocol draft
Done      Submit initial Netconf over (transport-TBD) draft
Done      Begin Working Group Last Call for the Netconf Protocol draft
Done      Begin Working Group Last Call for the Netconf over (transport-TBD)
          draft
Done      Submit final version of the Netconf Protocol draft to the IESG
Done      Submit final version of the Netconf over SOAP draft to the IESG
Done      Submit final version of the Netconf over BEEP draft to the IESG
Done      Submit final version of the Netconf over SSH draft to the IESG
Done      Update charter
Done      Submit first version of NETCONF Notifications document
Done      Begin WGLC of NETCONF Notifications document
Done      Submit final version of NETCONF Notifications document to IESG
          for consideration as Proposed Standard
Done      -00 draft for fine Grain Locking
Done      -00 draft for NETCONF over TLS
Done      -00 draft for NETCONF Monitoring
Feb 2008  -00 draft for Schema Advertisement
Mar 2008  Early Review of client authentication approach (for NETCONF over
          TLS) with the security community at IETF 71
Aug 2008  WG Last Call on NETCONF Monitoring after IETF72
Aug 2008  WG Last Call on Schema Advertisement after IETF72
Aug 2008  WG Last Call on Fine Grain Locking after IETF72
Aug 2008  WG Last Call on NETCONF over TLS after IETF72
Aug 2008  Send four documents to the IESG for consideration as proposed
          standards



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	 WGCharter-20080109.txt 		 WGCharter-20080124.txt 	
Network Configuration (netconf) Charter Network Configuration (netconf) Charter
				
	Network Configuration (netconf)		Network Configuration (netconf)	
				
In addition to this official charter maintained by the IETF Secretariat, there In addition to this official charter maintained by the IETF Secretariat, there is additional information about this working group on the Web at: is additional information about this working group on the Web at:
				
	Additional NETCONF Web Page		Additional NETCONF Web Page	
				
	Last Modified: 2008-01-09		Last Modified: 2008-01-24	
Additional information is available at tools.ietf.org/wg/netconf Additional information is available at tools.ietf.org/wg/netconf
				
	Chair(s):		Chair(s):	
	Bert Wijnen <bertietf@bwijnen.net>		Bert Wijnen <bertietf@bwijnen.net>	
				
	Mehmet Ersue <mehmet.ersue@nsn.com>		Mehmet Ersue <mehmet.ersue@nsn.com>	
				
Operations and Management Area Director(s): Operations and Management Area Director(s):
	Dan Romascanu <dromasca@avaya.com>		Dan Romascanu <dromasca@avaya.com>	
				
				
	skipping to change at/ line 52/		skipping to change at/ line 52/	
device, and for examining device state information which may impact device, and for examining device state information which may impact the configuration. Each of these mechanisms may be different in the configuration. Each of these mechanisms may be different in various aspects, such as session establishment, user authentication, various aspects, such as session establishment, user authentication, configuration data exchange, and error responses. configuration data exchange, and error responses.
				
The NETCONF Working Group is chartered to produce a protocol suitable The NETCONF Working Group is chartered to produce a protocol suitable for network configuration, with the following characteristics: for network configuration, with the following characteristics:
				
- Provides retrieval mechanisms which can differentiate between - Provides retrieval mechanisms which can differentiate between configuration data and non-configuration data configuration data and non-configuration data - Is extensible enough that vendors will provide access to all - Is extensible enough so that vendors will provide access to all configuration data on the device using a single protocol configuration data on the device using a single protocol - Has a programmatic interface (avoids screen scraping and - Has a programmatic interface (avoids screen scraping and formatting-related changes between releases) formatting-related changes between releases) - Uses a textual data representation, that can be easily manipulated - Uses a textual data representation, that can be easily manipulated using non-specialized text manipulation tools. using non-specialized text manipulation tools. - Supports integration with existing user authentication methods - Supports integration with existing user authentication methods - Supports integration with existing configuration database systems - Supports integration with existing configuration database systems - Supports network wide configuration transactions (with features such - Supports network wide configuration transactions (with features such
	as locking and rollback capability)		as locking and rollback capability)	
- Is as transport-independent as possible - Is as transport-independent as possible - Provides the following support for asynchronous notifications: - Provides support for asynchronous notifications
	- Specify the <hello> message (capability exchange) details to support			
	notifications.			
	- Specify the application mapping details to support notifications.			
	- Specify the protocol syntax and semantics of a notification message.			
	- Specify or select a notification content information model.			
	- Specify a mechanism for controlling the delivery (turn on/off) of			
	notifications during a session.			
	- Specify a mechanism for selectively receiving a configurable subset			
	of all possible notification types.			
				
The NETCONF protocol will use XML for data encoding purposes, because The NETCONF protocol is using XML for data encoding purposes, because XML is a widely deployed standard which is supported by a large number XML is a widely deployed standard which is supported by a large number of applications. XML also supports hierarchical data structures. of applications.
				
The NETCONF protocol should be independent of the data definition The NETCONF protocol should be independent of the data definition language and data models used to describe configuration and state language and data models used to describe configuration and state
	data.		data.	
				
However, the authorization model used in the protocol is dependent on However, the authorization model used in the protocol is dependent on the data model. Although these issues must be fully addressed to the data model. Although these issues must be fully addressed to develop standard data models, only a small part of this work will be develop standard data models, only a small part of this work will be initially addressed. This group will specify requirements for standard initially addressed. This group will specify requirements for standard data models in order to fully support the NETCONF protocol, such as: data models in order to fully support the NETCONF protocol, such as:
				
- identification of principals, such as user names or distinguished - identification of principals, such as user names or distinguished names
	names			
- mechanism to distinguish configuration from non-configuration data - mechanism to distinguish configuration from non-configuration data
	identification of principals, such as user names or distinguished names			
	- XML namespace conventions		- XML namespace conventions	
	- XML usage guidelines		- XML usage guidelines	
				
It should be possible to transport the NETCONF protocol using several The initial work started in 2003 and has already been completed and was different protocols. The group will select at least one suitable restricted to following items:
	transport mechanism, and define a mapping for the selected protocol			
	(s).			
				
	The initial work (has completed) and was restricted to the following			
	items:			
				
- NETCONF Protocol Specification, which defines the operational model, a) NETCONF Protocol Specification, which defines the operational model, protocol operations, transaction model, data model requirements, protocol operations, transaction model, data model requirements, security requirements, and transport layer requirements. security requirements, and transport layer requirements.
			b) NETCONF over SSH Specification: Implementation Mandatory,	
			c) NETCONF over BEEP Specification: Implementation Optional,	
			d) NETCONF over SOAP Specification: Implementation Optional.	
				
- NETCONF over SSH Specification: Implementation Mandatory; NETCONF These documents define how the NETCONF protocol is used with each over BEEP Specification: Implementation Optional; NETCONF over SOAP transport protocol selected by the working group, and how it meets Specification: Implementation Optional; These documents define how the the security and transport layer requirements of the NETCONF Protocol NETCONF protocol is used with each transport protocol selected by the Specification.
	working group, and how it meets the security and transport layer			
	requirements of the NETCONF Protocol Specification.			
				
	Additional Notification work (as described above) will now be			
	addressed since the initial work has been completed.			
				
An individual submission Internet Draft has been proposed to the WG as e) NETCONF Notification Specification, which defines mechanisms that the starting point for the Notification work. The WG shall adopt the provide an asynchronous message notification delivery service for document identified as 'draft-chisholm-NETCONF-event-01.txt' as the the NETCONF protocol. NETCONF Notification is an optional starting point for this work. capability built on top of the base NETCONF definition and
			provides the capabilities and operations necessary to support	
			this service.	
				
A second phase of incremental development of NETCONF will include the In the current phase of the incremental development of NETCONF the
	following items:		workgroup will focus on following items:	
				
1. Fine-grain locking: The base NETCONF protocol only provides a lock 1. Fine-grain locking: The base NETCONF protocol only provides a lock for the entire configuration datastore, which is not deemed to meet for the entire configuration datastore, which is not deemed to meet important operational and security requirements. The NETCONF working important operational and security requirements. The NETCONF working group will produce a standards-track RFC specifying a mechanism for group will produce a standards-track RFC specifying a mechanism for fine-grain locking of the NETCONF configuration datastore. fine-grain locking of the NETCONF configuration datastore.
				
	(The initial draft will be based on			
	draft-lengyel-ngo-partial-lock-00.txt barring additional contributions			
	from the community.)			
				
2. NETCONF monitoring: It is considered best practice for IETF working 2. NETCONF monitoring: It is considered best practice for IETF working groups to include management of their protocols within the scope of groups to include management of their protocols within the scope of the solution they are providing. NETCONF does not provide this the solution they are providing. The NETCONF working group will capability. The NETCONF working group will produce a standards-track produce a standards-track RFC with mechanisms allowing NETCONF RFC with mechanisms allowing NETCONF itself to be used to monitor some itself to be used to monitor some aspects of NETCONF operation.
	aspects of NETCONF operation.			
				
	(The initial draft will be based on			
	draft-chisholm-netconf-monitoring-00.txt barring additional			
	contributions from the community.)			
				
3. Schema advertisement: Currently the NETCONF protocol is able to 3. Schema advertisement: Currently the NETCONF protocol is able to advertise which protocol features are supported on a particular advertise which protocol features are supported on a particular netconf-capable device. However, there is currently no way to discover netconf-capable device. However, there is currently no way to discover which XML Schema are supported on the device. The NETCONF working which XML Schema are supported on the device. The NETCONF working group will produce a standards-track RFC with mechanisms making this group will produce a standards-track RFC with mechanisms making this discovery possible. discovery possible (this item may be merged with "NETCONF monitoring"
			into a single document).	
	This item may be merged with "NETCONF monitoring" into a single			
	document.			
				
	(The initial draft will be based on			
	draft-scott-netconf-schema-query-00.txt barring additional			
	contributions from the community.)			
				
4. NETCONF over TLS - based on implementation experience there is a 4. NETCONF over TLS: Based on implementation experience there is a need for a standards track document to define NETCONF over TLS as an need for a standards track document to define NETCONF over TLS as an optional transport for NETCONF optional transport for the NETCONF protocol.
				
	(The initial draft will be based on			
	draft-badra-tls-netconf-04.txt barring additional contributions from			
	the community.)			
				
The following are currently not considered in scope for re-chartering The following items have been identified as important but are currently at this time, but may be candidates for work when there is community not considered in scope for re-chartering and may be candidates for work consensus to take them on. Individual submissions are being when there is community consensus to take them on:
	encouraged.			
				
	o Access Control requirements		- General improvements to the base protocol	
o General improvements to the base protocol o NETCONF access to - Access Control requirements SMI-based MIB data o The Bill Fenner problem: Address real or - NETCONF access to SMI-based MIB data
	perceived issue that "giving SSH for NETCONF gives full SSH access to			
	the box"			
				
	Goals and Milestones:		Goals and Milestones:	
	Done Working Group formed		Done Working Group formed	
Done Submit initial Netconf Protocol draft Done Submit initial Netconf Protocol draft Done Submit initial Netconf over (transport-TBD) draft Done Submit initial Netconf over (transport-TBD) draft Done Begin Working Group Last Call for the Netconf Protocol draft Done Begin Working Group Last Call for the Netconf Protocol draft Done Begin Working Group Last Call for the Netconf over (transport-TBD) Done Begin Working Group Last Call for the Netconf over (transport-TBD)
	draft		draft	
Done Submit final version of the Netconf Protocol draft to the IESG Done Submit final version of the Netconf Protocol draft to the IESG Done Submit final version of the Netconf over SOAP draft to the IESG Done Submit final version of the Netconf over SOAP draft to the IESG Done Submit final version of the Netconf over BEEP draft to the IESG Done Submit final version of the Netconf over BEEP draft to the IESG Done Submit final version of the Netconf over SSH draft to the IESG Done Submit final version of the Netconf over SSH draft to the IESG
	Done Update charter		Done Update charter	
Done Submit first version of NETCONF Notifications document Done Submit first version of NETCONF Notifications document Done Begin WGLC of NETCONF Notifications document Done Begin WGLC of NETCONF Notifications document Dec 2006 Submit final version of NETCONF Notifications document to IESG Done Submit final version of NETCONF Notifications document to IESG for consideration as Proposed Standard for consideration as Proposed Standard Dec 2007 -00 draft for NETCONF Monitoring Done -00 draft for fine Grain Locking Dec 2007 -00 draft for Schema Advertisement Done -00 draft for NETCONF over TLS Dec 2007 -00 draft for Fine Grain Locking Done -00 draft for NETCONF Monitoring Dec 2007 -00 draft for NETCONF over TLS Feb 2008 -00 draft for Schema Advertisement Mar 2008 Early Review of client authentication approach (for NETCONF over Mar 2008 Early Review of client authentication approach (for NETCONF over TLS) with the security community at IETF 71 TLS) with the security community at IETF 71 Aug 2008 WG Last Call on NETCONF Monitoring after IETF72 Aug 2008 WG Last Call on NETCONF Monitoring after IETF72 Aug 2008 WG Last Call on Schema Advertisement after IETF72 Aug 2008 WG Last Call on Schema Advertisement after IETF72 Aug 2008 WG Last Call on Fine Grain Locking after IETF72 Aug 2008 WG Last Call on Fine Grain Locking after IETF72 Aug 2008 WG Last Call on NETCONF over TLS after IETF72 Aug 2008 WG Last Call on NETCONF over TLS after IETF72 Aug 2008 Send four documents to the IESG for consideration as proposed Aug 2008 Send four documents to the IESG for consideration as proposed
	standards		standards	
				
	Internet-Drafts:		Internet-Drafts:	
				
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