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RE: use of netconf to configure Unix systems
Hi,
Specious arguments, Andy.
The "Well Known Port" range has 1,024 slots and 70% consumed.
The "Registered Port" range has over 48,000 slots and 12% consumed.
Most new IETF protocols have NOT been given "Well Known Port"
assignments in recent years. The only justification for Netconf
would be that it will be a critical system service for MOST
end and intermediate systems, intended to entirely supplant the
alternatives - such a usage profile is ludicrous in any possible
future.
Cheers,
- Ira
Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839
phone: +1-906-494-2434
email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org [mailto:owner-netconf@ops.ietf.org]On
> Behalf Of Andy Bierman
> Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 8:45 PM
> To: Joel M. Halpern
> Cc: Eliot Lear; netconf
> Subject: Re: use of netconf to configure Unix systems
>
>
> Joel M. Halpern wrote:
> > I believe that the correct, current, answer to your question is
> > "nothing."
> > Netconf is clearly not a better use of those ports than a
> large number
> > of things that have been assigned higher numbered ports.
> > Hence, I think Netconf should live in the same space as
> everyone else.
> > The 1024 port space was reserved based on a certain model of the
> > world. That model no longer obtains.
> >
> > There is arguably even a good reason that Netconf should
> not be using,
> > by default, a reserved port. I can easily imagine
> experimental router
> > implementations where the control logic (and even the router and
> > router config logic) are living in user space. They are
> not running
> > as priviledged processes. They could support Netconf, and the
> > standard port, if that port were not in the kernel set.
> But could not
> > use the normal Netconf port if it was in the system space.
> >
> > Using a <1024 port buys us nothing.
>
> Your previous paragraph clearly contradicts this statement.
> I am interested in current practice for operational systems,
> not experimental systems that might exist in the future.
> Current practice is to make it harder for users to attach processes
> to system port numbers that higher port numbers.
>
>
> > Not using one is more appropriate, and may even be useful.
>
> I disagree -- current practice by network operators is contrary
> to this conclusion.
>
> The logic that no protocol should ever use the <1024 range again
> instantly makes the "Registered Port" range a more scarce resource
> for no apparent reason.
>
>
> >
> > Yours,
> > Joel M. Halpern
>
> Andy
>
> >
> > At 07:53 PM 3/17/2006, Eliot Lear wrote:
> >> Finally I do wish you would answer the question that was
> asked several
> >> times: if NETCONF is not a good use of well known ports, what is?
> >
> >
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