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Re: psamp filtering



duffield@research.att.com wrote:

Maurizio,

See question inline below,

Nick



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From: owner-psamp@ops.ietf.org [mailto:owner-psamp@ops.ietf.org] On


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Of Maurizio Molina
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 5:34 AM
To: Duffield,Nicholas G (Nick)
Cc: psamp@ops.ietf.org
Subject: Re: psamp filtering

duffield@research.att.com wrote:



In the sampling techniques draft:

	6.1 Field Match Filtering

  	We here define a basic Filtering schemes based on the IPIFIX
  	flow definition. With this method a packet is selected if a
  	specific field in the packet equals a predefined value. Possible

  	filter fields are all IPFIX flow attributes specified in [IPFIX-
  	INFO]. Further fields can be defined by vendor specific
  	extensions.
  	A packet is selected if Field=Value. Masks and ranges are only
  	supported to the extend to which [IPFIX-INFO] allows them e.g.
  	by providing explicit fields like the netmasks for source and
  	destination addresses. AND operations are possible by
  	concatenating filters. OR operations are not supported with this

  	basic model. More sophisticated filters (e.g. supporting
  	bitmasks, ranges or OR operations etc.) can be realized as
  	vendor specific schemes.

As it stands now, this text might give the impression that AND
operations are accomplished by composing a number of PSAMP selectors,
each being primitive and corresponding to filtering on a single


field. I


don't think this is what is intended. (In any case, PSAMP can


currently


only combine one filter with one sampling operation at present).



My understanding is that through the STREAM ID you can have multiple
concatenation, and even a filter + filter concatenation (and in this
case the order is intrinsically specified).
However, I admit that from the TOC only it looks like that the only
possible composition is Cascaded Filtering->Sampling or
Sampling->Filtering (se. 8.1). But if you read the text before, it
states that it is just an example.



Also, "concatenation" implies that an order amongst the basic filters


is


to be specified.



Correct, but the result will then be independent of the  order.



As Matt Grossglauser has pointed out, this might be
useful if one wants to put a "quick" filter (e.g. on port number)


first,


to reduce the packet rate down for a "slow" filter (e.g. on routing
state) following. So do we want to require ordering of filters within
the combination?



See above: I think that if you specify a cascaded filter via the


STREAM


ID, ordering is implicitly defined, but the result will then be
independent of the  order.



Or would some implementors want to implement some or
all combinations as a single composite mask/match across fields,


without


ordering....?

If order is not specified, we might want to replace

"AND operations are possible by concatenating filters"

with

"AND operations are possible by specifying multiple basic field match
Filters, the packet being selected if would be selected by all the
specified filters. The resulting combination is viewed as a primitive
PSAMP Selector."




I think that if we go for your proposal, we have to ensure that
IPFIX-INFO supports it.
I'd rather stick to the old text for SPECIFYING a filter. Then I'd


add


part of your text to leave the door open to implementation of


composite


filters in "one step".
My proposal:

AND operations are possible by concatenating filters through the use


of


the STREAM ID (see sec. 7.1 and 8). In this case, the ordering in


which


the filtering happens is implicitly defined (outer filters come after
inner filters). However, as long as the concatenation is on filters


only,


the result of the cascaded filter is independent from the order, but


the


order MAY be important for implementation purposes, as the first


filter


will have to work at a higher rate. In any case, an implementation is


not


constrained to respect the filter ordering, as long as the result is


the


same, and it MAY even implement the composite filtering in filtering


in


one single step.
Maurizio





Do you view the concatenation as a composite selector, with each component filter a primitive selector?

Yes

If so, the text in the framework
document Section 5.5 needs to include this as an example of a composite
selector.


Since 5.5 mentions that they are only examples, it is not strictly necessary. But a third explicit example with filter+filter can be added, if you feel it clarifies.
Maurizio





Finally, it was suggested to me at IETF 61 that the current text in


the


framework draft (it speaks of match/mask operations) should be


replaced


with the text from the sampling draft. I can do this once the latter


is


finalized.

Comments?

Nick



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