Re: Whitepaper on XML-based Network Management

[Randy Bush <randy@psg.com>]

> Sorry I was not clear. Yes, Randy, I have been studying the religious
> texts and yes I have heard and understood what is wanted. Also, XML
> provides many benefits, but it also costs. Hopefully we can find a
> way to take advantages of the benefits, and also mitigate (lower) the
> costs. (I believe that the white-paper from Juniper overstated the
> benefits (as most white papers on XML do), and understated the
> costs. Also, it did not look at the problem from the managed device
> side.) Additionally, I believe that the organization and identification
> of the management information that Juniper has done has benefited from
> the experience of earlier vendors of routers, and is "better". 
> However, putting it in XML did not make it better, re-engineering
> it made it better. Let's not confuse the two.

sorry not to have gotten your point.  the above seems delicious to me.

btw, i don't think operators think of ourselves as religious on the
text-based cli issue (but then, what bigot does:-).  desperate,
three-in-the-morning-and-nothing-works paranoid, and disbelieving in
getting a non-text agreement from all the vendors is more like it.

randy