RE: AD review: draft-ietf-netconf-soap-05

["McDonald, Ira" <imcdonald@sharplabs.com>]

Hi Andy,

See the W3C's Web Services Description Working Group

  http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/

All of their WSDL/2.0 specs are now in second Last Call (ending
19 September 2005).  WSDL/2.0 is _NOT_ compatible with WSDL/1.1
(thus the major version change), because it was deemed impossible
to achieve compatibility in a meaningful way with the widespread
ambiguities of WSDL/1.1 specs and implementations.

FWIW, no two printer vendors implementing PSI/1.0 ever successfully 
interoperated at all without hand tweaking the SOAP emitted by their 
WSDL/1.1 tools.

Cheers,
- Ira

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI  49839
phone: +1-906-494-2434
email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andy Bierman [mailto:ietf@andybierman.com]
> Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 11:16 AM
> To: McDonald, Ira
> Cc: 'Ted Goddard'; Wijnen, Bert (Bert); netconf
> Subject: Re: AD review: draft-ietf-netconf-soap-05
> 
> 
> McDonald, Ira wrote:
> 
> >Hi,
> >
> >I see (belatedly) that your WSDL is v1.1 (not a standard and
> >never will be a standard).  For what it's worth, the printing
> >industry has experienced real trouble building interoperable
> >SOAP-based implementations using WSDL/1.1 (the existing tools
> >that generate the SOAP are wildly incompatible) in our recent
> >PSI/1.0 (Print Services Interface) project in the IEEE/ISTO 
> >Printer Working Group organization.
> >
> >I seriously urge you to abandon entirely the WSDL specification
> >for NetConf.  It's only informative anyway (because WSDL/1.1
> >isn't standards track at W3C).
> >  
> >
> 
> Is there a WSDL spec that is a somewhat stable standard?
> I would rather keep the text as non-normative than remove it.
> Informative text is a Good Thing in a document intended to help
> SW developers implement a protocol specification.
> 
> >Cheers,
> >- Ira (co-editor of PSI/1.0).
> >  
> >
> 
> Andy
> 

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