Re: [idn] Re: 7 bits forever!

["James Seng" <jseng@pobox.org.sg>]

And you miss the point completely too.

IETF move forward with draft. Repeatively say "i want utf-8, i want it now"
after the first time are just noise.

Write your draft. It is make sense, then support will come.

-James Seng

> I think you missed the point completely.  The point, as Keld have
mentioned
> is that there are people, who believes that it is beneficial to have UTF8
> option, I being one of them and Keld being one of them, and it is a fact
> that cannot be ignored and should not be ignored.  From my interpretation
of
> your previous words, you also believe that it is beneficial to go beyond
> ASCII.  That, is my point and please dont try to confuse the message with
> the means!  Human language is not machine language and you have to
> understand the context before you can get the message.  If you cant
> understand this simple depth and intricacy of human interaction and
> communication, I cant help you.
>
> The exercise is to establish a meaningful support before I waste my time
> working on a draft if no one wants to talk about it.
> I have a draft of a draft inplace for UDNA, and I am updating it as we
> continue to discuss some of the elements of it on the list.  I think it
> makes more sense this way, than to throw something in here fresh.  Also I
> think it would be beneficial to have a draft on IDNX (IDN Transition).  So
> please stop distrupting the discussion of a good discussion here.
>
> Edmon
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James Seng" <jseng@pobox.org.sg>
> To: "Edmon Chung" <edmon@neteka.com>; "Keld Jørn Simonsen" <keld@dkuug.dk>
> Cc: <ietf@ietf.org>; "John Stracke" <jstracke@incentivesystems.com>;
> <idn@ops.ietf.org>; <ietf-smtp@IMC.ORG>; <owner-ietf@ietf.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 1:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [idn] Re: 7 bits forever!
>
>
> > > Whole heartedly agree.  This time we have yourself and the Asian
> community
> > > standing up saying we want IDN(UTF8), hopefully, this is unquestioned
as
> > > well.
> >
> > I am aware that some chinese members in this group have stood up to ask
> for
> > TC/SC in IDN. I am also aware that Lee have asked for reordering.
> >
> > But I am not aware of any "Asian community standing up saying we want
> > IDN(UTF8)". I honestly hope I havent missed anything important.
> >
> > Or is this just another fragment of your imagation?
> >
> > It is frustrating to hear you repeating "I want UTF-8, I want UTF-8
now!"
> > again and again. Lets just say "yes, we hear you say that and lets move
> on".
> >
> > By moving on, I mean you write a draft to cover:
> > a) what is the advantage of IDN(UTF8) over the existing IDNA
> > b) how IDN(UTF8) is going to work
> > c) how you intend to get there
> >
> > -James Seng
> >
> >
> >
>