RE: CDNP naming

[Eric Dean <eric@crystalballinc.com>]

At least Content Distribution Internetworking is a bit different from
Content Internetworking or Content Peering.  The difference being that a
CDN would probably ensure that certain Distribution capabilities are
supported by a "peered" or "internetworked" CDN before it actually
delivered the content to surrogates within that CDN.  

It is for this reason that I may not in favor for exclusively proposing a 
DNS-based request mapping method unless everyone uses the exact same
surrogates with exact capabilities.
   
On Mon, 4 Dec 2000, Phil Rzewski wrote:

> On a going-forward basis, I'd like to be a pest and say that I'm still not 
> 100% comfortable with the name... but perhaps no name exists that everyone 
> could like. In a separate e-mail, Eric Dean made a nice statement about why 
> Content Peering isn't a great term:
> 
> "I do believe that Content Peering somewhat implies an exchange of content. 
> That may be one particular mode of an interconnect; however, there are also 
> other potential modes whereby references to content (URL) along with 
> certain characteristics about the content (Headers) are exchanged."
> 
> As I read it, an ideal term would make room for exchange of both content 
> itself, as well as meta-data. Therefore, my response would be to go with 
> "Content Layer Internetworking", as it turns "Content" into an adjective 
> rather than a noun. Furthermore, by not naming any one specific thing being 
> internetworked (distribution, delivery, accounting) it makes room under the 
> umbrella for all these and more.
> 
> But if Content Distribution Internetworking becomes the name, I just wanna 
> state for the record that I'll throw water on anyone that ever tries to 
> tell me any certain cross-network content-layer data exchange is "out of 
> scope" for the working group unless it somehow applies to distribution. :)
> 
> --
> Phil
> 
> 
> At 10:26 AM 12/1/00 -0500, Mark Day wrote:
> >I fear I may have provided bad guidance to Phil on this issue. I noticed
> >just now that the agenda for our BOF has the name Content Distribution
> >Internetworking already.  I had provided that as a possible alternative, and
> >either the ADs or the secretariat must have chosen it in preference to our
> >previous name.
> >
> >Since that name seems workable and accurate, I would suggest that we go with
> >it rather than debating further.  And it can be part of the group lore as to
> >why "Content Distribution Internetworking" has the acronym "cdnp".
> >
> >--Mark
> >
> >Mark Stuart Day
> >Senior Scientist
> >Cisco Systems
> >+1 (781) 663-8310
> >markday@cisco.com
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-cdn@ops.ietf.org [mailto:owner-cdn@ops.ietf.org]On Behalf Of
> > > Fred Douglis
> > > Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 10:10 AM
> > > To: Phil Rzewski
> > > Cc: cdn@ops.ietf.org
> > > Subject: Re: CDNP naming
> > >
> > >
> > > Phil,
> > >
> > > I agree by and large with your summary.  And at one point, you suggested
> > > "content internetworking" as an alternative.  In fact, I'm not
> > > sure if that was
> > > mentioned previously, but in one of the strawman calls, we had the same
> > > discussion and I threw out "Content Distribution
> > > Internetworking", intended as
> > > tongue-in-cheek, but it seemed like people picked up on it.  While in the
> > > drafts, it didn't end up taking hold, I'd already mentioned it to
> > > the person
> > > in charge of AT&T's CDN (from the business perspective) and I've
> > > heard him
> > > using that term in place of "peering" since then.
> > >
> > > I believe that one of the major stumbling blocks to the term
> > > "peering" is the
> > > relationship with settlements, and the question of whether it is
> > > bilateral.
> > > The CDNP BOF clearly covers cases where traditional "peering"
> > > doesn't apply,
> > > so I hope when it's chartered as a working group, the name better
> > > reflects the
> > > spectrum of possibilities.
> > >
> > > Fred
> > >
> > >
> 
> --
> Phil Rzewski - Senior Architect - Inktomi Corporation
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> 

Eric Dean
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