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RE: Proposed response to OIF on OSPF ENNI



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That's even worse than what I expected.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ong, Lyndon [mailto:Lyong@Ciena.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 3:22 PM
To: Drake, John E; ccamp@ops.ietf.org
Subject: RE: Proposed response to OIF on OSPF ENNI

I confess it was all rigged, John.  Little midgets were inside the equipment plugging
fibers here and there and typing RSVP messages into mini keypads.

From: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org [mailto:owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org] On Behalf Of Drake, John E
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 3:08 PM
To: ccamp@ops.ietf.org
Subject: RE: Proposed response to OIF on OSPF ENNI

 
-----Original Message-----
From: Ong, Lyndon [mailto:Lyong@Ciena.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 2:39 PM
To: Drake, John E; ccamp@ops.ietf.org
Subject: RE: Proposed response to OIF on OSPF ENNI

Hi John,
 
If you wish to discuss how the tests were carried out, you can talk to the
7 major carriers that provided lab sites and the 13 router and switch vendors that participated
in the 2005 demo. 
 
JD:  Just as I suspected 
 
In what sense does IETF use the term interoperability test? 
 
JD:  You know, the stuff required to advance to proposed standard
 
Is there an RFC on this? 
 
JD:  I'm sure.
 
I was unaware that IETF ran interoperability tests. 
 
JD:  I didn't say it did, and I don't know if it does. 
 
Cheers,
 
Lyndon


From: owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org [mailto:owner-ccamp@ops.ietf.org] On Behalf Of Drake, John E
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 2:28 PM
To: ccamp@ops.ietf.org
Subject: RE: Proposed response to OIF on OSPF ENNI

 Snipped
 
 Regarding Topic 2:

 

 

Again I ask, wouldn’t it be better to look at this document which has been implemented by many vendors, and successfully interoperability tested many times over many years to see what can be leveraged instead of starting from scratch? 

 

JD:  I noticed that Jonathan has put in this plug several times.  I am wondering whether these events are truly interoperability tests, in the sense that the IETF uses the term, or rather rigged demos?  I seem to remember that the OIF characterized itself as a marketing organization.