Re: draft-bonica-tunneltrace-02

[Loa Andersson <loa.andersson@utfors.se>]

Neil,

from the draft:


   "Although these tunneling technologies provide operators with many
    useful features, they also present management challenges.  Operators
    require a generic route tracing application that they can use to
    verify tunnel paths and diagnose tunnel faults."

/Loa

neil.2.harrison@bt.com wrote:

> Ping/Loa,
> 
> Can you please be more specific about the 'problem' you are talking about
> here.....and are you both talking about the same problem or different
> problems?  It would help me at least understand better if you can explain:
> -	what is the problem?
> -	what is the impact on customers?
> -	how does the operator detect detect the problem in the 1st place?
> -	how does tunneltrace diagnose the problem?
> -	what are the expected consequent actions to fix it?
> 
> thanks, Neil
> 
> 
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Loa Andersson [mailto:loa.andersson@utfors.se]
>>Sent: 27 February 2002 08:53
>>To: Ping Pan
>>Cc: 'Kireeti Kompella'; Ronald.P.Bonica@wcom.com; ccamp@ops.ietf.org
>>Subject: Re: draft-bonica-tunneltrace-02
>>
>>
>>All,
>>
>>
>>don't know if my opinion registred in this show of hands. Anyway I say
>>(a). It is an identified problem, we need to deal with it and 
>>by making
>>a WG doc, the working groupd can start working with it.
>>
>>/Loa
>>
>>Ping Pan wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Kireeti,
>>>
>>>
>>>The requirement from Ron address the problem that we have 
>>>
>>been seen in 
>>
>>>the network today. This is an issue that we have to deal 
>>>
>>with it NOW. I 
>>
>>>vote (a).
>>>
>>>- Ping
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: Kireeti Kompella [mailto:kireeti@juniper.net]
>>>>>Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 7:47 PM
>>>>>To: David Allan
>>>>>Cc: neil.2.harrison@bt.com; Ronald.P.Bonica@wcom.com; 
>>>>>
>>ccamp@ops.ietf.org
>>
>>>>>Subject: RE: draft-bonica-tunneltrace-02
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Let me say a few words:
>>>>>
>>>>>1) There was good support for this work (the requirements doc) to
>>>>>  be a WG document at a previous IETF.  It is a good thing to
>>>>>  follow up and check what the mailing list thinks, as 
>>>>>
>>not everyone
>>
>>>>>  attends IETFs.
>>>>>
>>>>>2) It is interesting that no one brought up the issue of 
>>>>>
>>whether this
>>
>>>>>  work (tunnel tracing) is in the charter or not at the meeting.
>>>>>  There are those who think the charter isn't explicit 
>>>>>
>>enough.  I'll
>>
>>>>>  talk to the ADs and see (a) if they think that this *is* in the
>>>>>  charter; (b) if not, are they willing to take it to the IESG and
>>>>>  add it to the charter.
>>>>>
>>>>>  My input on this (as WG chair) is that CCAMP is all 
>>>>>
>>about tunnels,
>>
>>>>>  and a protocol to debug and test tunnels is well within 
>>>>>
>>scope, even
>>
>>>>>  if not called out explicitly.
>>>>>
>>>>>  Note that the charter is *not* subject to WG consensus, nor even
>>>>>  the WG chairs.  The IESG (and IAB?) are solely responsible,
>>>>>  although the WG and chairs can suggest changes.
>>>>>
>>>>>3) A document that is "in the right spirit" can become a 
>>>>>
>>WG document,
>>
>>>>>  even if there are disagreements about some details, and even
>>>>>  "fundamental" questions.  Note that "fundamental" is often
>>>>>  subjective.
>>>>>
>>>>>I would like to have the mailing list equivalent of a 
>>>>>
>>'show of hands'
>>
>>>>>regarding this draft.  Do you think:
>>>>>(a) it should be a WG document?
>>>>>(b) it's good stuff, but not ready?
>>>>>(c) we need a new start?
>>>>>
>>>>>Please send in your opinions with one of the above up top.  Any
>>>>>detailed reasoning you have for your opinion may follow.
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks!
>>>>>Kireeti.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>-- 
>>Loa Andersson
>>Chief Architect,
>>Utfors Research, Architecture and Future Lab (URAX)
>>Utfors AB
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>>
>>
> 


-- 
Loa Andersson
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Utfors Research, Architecture and Future Lab (URAX)
Utfors AB
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Box 525, 169 29 Solna
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